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#13283473 Jun 05, 2017 at 01:08 PM · Edited 3 months ago
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I would like to get a discussion going regarding the (Epic) Quests vs. Slowtro levels as we are slowly but surely approaching the second historical level cap in LOTRO.

Our experiences with the first one (Angmar to "all-over-Eriador" to Eregion to Moria to Angmar - again - for the Raids...) tells us that things can get a little bit confusing, especially so when it comes to the chronology of the Main Story...

Simply put, if we want to experience *all* quests 5 levels below then we will face multiple, overlapping areas at historical level caps. Examples:
  • Mirkwood & Enedwaith - both 61-65 with their own Instance Clusters
  • Dunland (second half) & Great River - both 70-75 with an Instance Cluster (the former) and an Instance (the latter)
  • ALL Gondor updates (West, Central, East, Minas Tirith...)

So it boils down to either of the following:
  1. We strive to follow the Main Story by giving up the -5 levels (from time to time) and "break up" the overlapping areas. (An example would be, based on the above, to leave Moria/Lothlórien at lvl 58 only [Raid level for MoM] and do Mirkwood from 58-63 then Enedwaith at 63-65 followed by Dúnland from 65 and up)
  2. We honour the "-5 level content challenge" and start both Mirkwood + Enedwaith at 56 followed by Dúnland at 61 (to then return to both the Mirkwood and Enedwaith Instances/Raids)
While there is merit in both options they are mutually exclusive.

Be kind and share your preferences below!

Yours Best ;)
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
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#13283506 Jun 05, 2017 at 01:33 PM · Edited 3 months ago
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Despite being super-excited for new content (as someone seeing much of it for the first time) I'd lean towards holding off heading to new areas until we have followed the main storyline and completed relevant raid content.

It may also give new areas a sense of increasing difficulty, e.g. we'd be going into Mirkwood almost on-level but will be going through the content with only one or two level raises.

I have a huge backlog of TA LIs to level up in addition to a fair few unfinished deeds, plus an alt to level through Moria. I see the merits of the alternative, however!

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#13283806 Jun 05, 2017 at 04:18 PM · Edited 3 months ago
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We are going to run into problems one way or another.
We need to be level 65 to finish Mirkwood Epic, but can probably finish Enedwaith at 60.

Ill have to have a closer look at it, but we could probably be starting Book III long before we finish Book II.

Personally I think Mirkwood is a much better area. Enedwaith was originally level 70 and the natural follow on from Mirkwood, but they changed it (after I bought the QP for my F2P acc) so it now runs alongside Mirkwood.

My thoughts would be to follow the Mirkwood storyline, then do Enedwaith over level. Its not like landscape is taxing, so people can do it when it becomes available if they wish and have the time. Ost Dunhoth is scaleable so not so much a problem of being over level for the area.

Like I said, I probably need to look at it closer, but yes we have the same problems we had with Eriador level 50.
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#13285327 Jun 06, 2017 at 11:45 AM · Edited 3 months ago
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we compromise either way but lets prioritise the areas we want by discussion (towards a hopeful consensus) as and when we get to a fork in the path - i feel Sig's option 1 of Mirkwood upto 63 and then Enedwaith upto 65 is a good one, am psyched to do Lir's 'home' Mirkwood instances for the first time. I think it'd be reasonable to treat Enedwaith (epic/landscape) as an intro to Dunland - from memory it felt like that when i took Fae through there some months back....?
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#13294801 Jun 12, 2017 at 08:43 AM · Edited 3 months ago
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I moved the discussion to a seperate thread for clarity.

We discussed this last night in chat and seem to be of the consensus that we wish to finish Mirkwood storyline (kinda necessary due to skirmishes) before we start on Enedwaith.

This would be my preferred route too, but as Siggar correctly points out this means we will need to fill the next 10 levels with only two areas. Given we are level 55 now, and can finish Lothlorien landscape at this level, we perhaps need to think about some level raises so that we are not needing to 'grind' 10 levels of XP just from Mirkwood.

Lothlorien is an extension of Moria in that the Epic books have us travel back there to aid the dwarves. In fact if I remember Moria originally included the Mekhem Birzu area. Like mentioned previously, we can finish Loth questing now, but we will split it up and head towards level cap raises.

I guess the natural level to aim for would be 60... though not necessary.
It is worth noting, that Mirkwood has a 'staging' area much like Moria in that it is an instanced area that only those on that stage can enter that area.

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#13294806 Jun 12, 2017 at 08:47 AM · Edited 3 months ago
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Just thinking out loud...

Level 56 Mekhem Birzu/Echad Andestel - Group moves out of Moria

Level 58 Cerin Amroth/Vineyards - Working Rep for CG

Level 60 Caras Galadhorn - Working with the Lord and Lady of the Golden Wood.

As noted this will mean we will be doing the level 60 stuff on level. We are going to be so OP by then with FA items, I dont imagine these will trouble us much. But these instances will be fun none the less.

I guess the next question is timeline.....

Im open to suggestions. I know we have people with differing amount of playtime.. Lir could be finished Lothlorien by next week :p
I see we still have a few instances to complete, we have the remaining books to go through. Even as a minimum giving a month between level raises... start July 56, August 58, September 60....

Lets hear your input...
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#13295310 Jun 12, 2017 at 03:06 PM
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As far as the route goes, I'm definitely in favor of finishing Mirkwood first and Enedwaith after, especially since there's a good chance of catching up to you guys near lvl 60 and I don't like starting a next region's story & quests unless I'm done with the current one. Kinda ruins the flow. Of course, that's a personal opinion.

As far as the 'how' goes, I don't really have a suggestion or preference. We could finish at 56 or 60. It's fine by me. Your suggestion does sound good though, Jullian (finishing CG at 60).

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#13295440 Jun 12, 2017 at 04:22 PM
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Its more a compilation of others ideas than my own. 8)

Onwards drunken Elves..
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#13295838 Jun 12, 2017 at 07:45 PM
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just a thought J but concentrating on one toon rather than 8 or 9 might help resolve some of your timing issues ;P

As you know i agree with completing Dol Guldur before moving on and hangin with the grey company. It makes sense to gradually level rather than grind +10 in Mirkwood. those that have been through thr levels a few times here may be better placed to sketch out the detail - the timings look good to me.

Thala - where better to meet than lothlorien or mirkwood? a seemingly natural point for another elf to join our band.






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#13295897 Jun 12, 2017 at 08:16 PM
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#13295838 Lirduiniel wrote:

just a thought J but concentrating on one toon rather than 8 or 9 might help resolve some of your timing issues ;P



Wheres the fun in that... tbf I have only really played Dura the last few weeks.
Im playing 105 WDN other nights I am on trying to get through some back log there too :p It didnt help doing the Anniversary Scavenger stuff with my least developed 105 (quests/stories) so relied heavily on getting help through areas I didnt have questlines open etc.

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#13295968 Jun 12, 2017 at 08:59 PM
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#13295838 Lirduiniel wrote:



Thala - where better to meet than lothlorien or mirkwood? a seemingly natural point for another elf to join our band.




Very true. You had better prepare yourselves, fellow turtles! An old friend and 'agent' of Rivendell might pick up your trail sooner than you think.
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#13296006 Jun 12, 2017 at 09:18 PM
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I would probably be the most vocal about slowing things down, but I see no reason to hold off raising the level cap to 56 on Wednesday. Lir and myself are already there anyway.
That way we can formally move the group out of Moria to seek the help of the Elves of the Golden Wood.
The next few Wednesdays would be spent doing..
Grand Stair (deeds)
Fil Gashan
Sixteenth Hall
Forges

If people want to go further into Lothlorien by all means, just be aware that a lot of your future XP will come from helping drunken elves with their speech problems.

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#13300526 Jun 15, 2017 at 11:15 AM · Edited 3 months ago
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IMHO there is no any challenge in +5 level questing, we are OP enough for this
We can find at least some or even real difficulties in 6/12 raiding and T2 new instances
That's why my opinion is to follow and enjoy storyline and not to worry about +5 level difference
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#13300556 Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM
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Wanted to share the below from one of the threads of the Officer's Lounge (Officer-only part of the forum) - yes, our sacred councils, precious, yeeeees *.* -, part of a discussion from the first quarter concerning planning:

#13140572 Lirduiniel wrote:

an idea....

perhaps we could move on at the rate of 'half an expansion' at a time? I havent really fully considered this but could look at developing the idea if there's any interest in this. First off though this isnt about radically changing the ethos of slowtro in my view

In this scenario we would agree a timescale for Moria (for example) prior to our 'launch' - it wouldn't speed things up (or i wouldn't be arguing for that) but it might give people more flexibility and opportunities for progression? make things flow a bit and need less reactive management.

half way we'd set a milestone to arrive at (Moria might be lvl 55 and main instances for example) with useful opportunities to rp around key parts to the epic storyline identified early for those who want to do that (incl me)

after that it'd be on to Lothlorien (and back to Moria) and the content there - but we would not pass into Mirkwood before that expansion is finished!



The more I think about Lir's idea the more appealing I find it...
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
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#13300580 Jun 15, 2017 at 11:53 AM
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That would mean raising 5 levels at a time?

Using Moria as an example.. at level 55 we would only be able to do Forgotten Treasury and Grand Stairs. Then a jump to 60 we could complete all Moria but would be facerolling it.

As noted the landscape +5 levels is not even an issue now... as we have levelled things have got easier and easier.
+5 levels for instances.. whilst not a walk in the park is the only difficulty we are going to get besides T2 etc.

Im quite happy looking at the next instance to do and basing our level raises on that.

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#13300646 Jun 15, 2017 at 12:59 PM · Edited 3 months ago
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Come on now, J...

We Raided Filikul at 51!!! :-)

Lir can 3-shot the Troll boss in Treasury, You can chain-remove debuffs from everyone, Gwen+Kasey can cc/debuff 20+ mobs between them, Hunf can heal 100% of your morale every 2 seconds...
(And the things I do in T1s are... a joke, really :D)

Yes, the Grand Stair was more challenging on lvl 53 than it is on lvl 55... but difficult?

I can barely remember a time we 'properly' wiped in a 6-man. Yes, we might charge into stuff sometimes with no discussion/comms just for fun and get a defeat but it usually is messing around and having a good time rather than being crushed by a challenge.

Apart from Udúnion of Barad Gúlaran, I only really found some bosses of the T1 Raids and - of course - T2s challenging.

Besides, Moria is the only expansion that has non-scaling T1s only, all others have either T2s or scaling ones (or both!). So while we are currently doing MoM content, the discussion concerns our future path, well beyond Moria and Lothlórien, too.

Lir's idea needs work, no doubt. It might not be something that we will implement as a group, I just wanted to toss it out there for the other Turtles, Turtellinos and Terrapins ;)

Yours Best
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
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#13300667 Jun 15, 2017 at 01:20 PM · Edited 3 months ago
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So what are you suggesting?

I should not have used difficult, yes I meant +5 instance levels is the only challenge we have left.


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#13300742 Jun 15, 2017 at 02:14 PM · Edited 3 months ago
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You know, a wise man once said.
Opinions are like bumholes. Everyone has one and they all stink.

I seem to spend a lot of time looking ahead to whats coming up and trying to plan stuff that what seems to best fit the group. Consistently it comes back to how quickly/slowly we are levelling. You know what I am fed up of it.

I am making the undemocratic decision that begining the first of July, we shall raise the level cap 2 levels each month. I will post where our camp is in regards to the Epic Storyline. People should feel free to arrange whatever content they wish within that month. Wednesdays will remain our official Slowtro day, where our preference will be group stuff.

There is little challenging in the game so that should not be the hurdle that holds us back. People should not feel constrained to be limited by whatever content I or anyone else dictates we can or cannot do. For example, if people wish to continue ahead with Mirkwood landing at level 56, then feel free.

Hopefully this way rather than try to please everyone, we can at least avoid having to revisit what level we will be and when.
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#13300886 Jun 15, 2017 at 03:49 PM
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So level cap for June will be 56, July - 58 and August - 60?
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#13300889 Jun 15, 2017 at 03:51 PM
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Yup.
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