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#13339658 Jul 08, 2017 at 07:03 PM · Edited 5 months ago
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my alt plan - I've created a new character by the name of Faerduinriel in the last few days - also a female Elven hunter from Mirkwood - having tried out guard and champ i've realised my mind is that of a hunter I'm more attuned to rping them somehow.....the aesthetic just seems right.....so after some leveling she has arrived at the Forsaken inn at level 21 having done all the deeds she requires in Ered Luin, the Shire and Bree. I investied in 3 agi tomes to help speed her killing up since they are on sale in the store atm. My aim is to level her quickly to 50 (while picking up all the deeds i can manage on the way (innocence, charity, compassion, honour, fidelity and tolerance - yip i know that's 1 too many!). After 50 i am hoping to hitch a ride with the Valar and magically proceed to 95 and the paths of the dead so i can see and explore Ithlien and maybe even Mordor in the near future.

if anyone has any comments, suggestions or even a kin suggestion for a half baked hunter at 95-105 ( i know i'll have to go back for deeds and trait points) then please post below. any aid gratefully received.

cheers

(ps i'll still play my champ a bit too)
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#13339780 Jul 08, 2017 at 08:35 PM · Edited 5 months ago
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Welcome to the fray, Fair Durin Reel!

It is difficult to get one's self accustomed to any other class once the Hunter has been extensively played... 😁
My advices would largely depend upon what you are planning to do at high levels / end-game. Also the official forums bear a large amount of info regarding the Hunter class recently, I would point to the same for Kinships as well as The Laurelin Archives.

As always, shout if you need any help (crafting, deeds, etc.)!

Yours Best ;)
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
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#13340068 Jul 09, 2017 at 12:16 AM
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Pfft who would want to play multiple versions of the same class!

Regarding GoV, there will be a new one for 105 when Mordor comes out, so you might want to wait. That said, whilst the 1-50 are easy levels, they have the least 'required' content that you need to go back and revisit.
So even with GoV 50-95/105 you are going to need to go back and do, Moria Epic, West Rohan and Central Gondor and whole lot of other stuff, but yes its easier with a higher level character.

Hunter is in a powerful place just now, I just hope you dont get sickened if they were to suddenly nerf 2 of your main characters.
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#13342362 Jul 10, 2017 at 10:17 AM
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hi - thanks for replies

how lengthy a process is it getting the rohan trait points? do they require a lot of time with much gathering and/or protracted quest chains - or can they be picked off quickly by dipping in? as an alternative i may consider 50-95 the hard way (without aid from the valar)?

ps its not the prowess of the hunter i'm keen on (although thats nice) its really the playstyle and rp elements that draw me in. not too worried about nerfing - a wee bit would be actually quite good imo

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#13342514 Jul 10, 2017 at 12:20 PM
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West Rohan is divided up into 5 areas, Westfold, Eastfold, Broadacres, Kingstead and Stonedeans. Trait points are acquired by finishing basically every quest in these areas.
As this would be your first time through? I dont see it being much of a barrier, and given hunter will quickly run through the quests, then even better.
Central Gondor? If you start West Gondor at around 95... then you will be near 100 by the time you get to Dol Amroth, doubtful you will hang about there for the level 100 armour which was nice when it was cap, but will plough on till Minas Tirth where all this quests is level 100. You will easily be 105 by the time you reach 105 content, but again... Central Gondor requires you complete most quests within that area for the 4 trait points.

The BoV/GoV is worth it purely for the +4 virtues you get, if you are looking at it from a Lotro Points perspective, though I doubt many people actually buy virtues... and again.. hunter has an easy time doing slayer deeds so maybe not so much a problem.

I am not sure where the Devs are going with trait points. They are changing level 105-115 to reward only 3 trait points instead of the usual 5. Those that have acquired all trait points are able to go deep in two trees and I dont think thats what the devs want. I cant imagine they will put a cap on the number of points you can acquire (YET) but I think it might be something they could have done, and may well do in the future.
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#13342802 Jul 10, 2017 at 03:41 PM
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My level 88 champion, or my level 97 hunter, or my level 103 lore-master at your service! :) Also I'm interested to Valar my cappy (he is around level 40)
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#13343312 Jul 10, 2017 at 09:34 PM
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#13342514 Jullian wrote:

West Rohan is divided up into 5 areas, Westfold, Eastfold, Broadacres, Kingstead and Stonedeans. Trait points are acquired by finishing basically every quest in these areas....etc



great post j - tyvm! makes it clear and identifies a major weakness in going the valar route - might be the long way round for Faer after all - maybe i could spend points on other stuff to help the leveling process.....or just save them in my account and sit Smaug like on them =)

to be in any way viable at end game i assume skipping trait points is unlikely to be an option - not withstanding was the real gods (SSG) do to the trait system at update =)

cheers
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#13343549 Jul 11, 2017 at 12:19 AM
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Its entirely up to you Lir.
If you were in a kin that needed a hunter pronto.. then its a good way to hurry along....
First time through.. I would just do the quests. The game isnt very alt friendly when it comes to things like that.
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#13361854 Jul 22, 2017 at 04:22 PM
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AoV details are on this weeks Bullroarer.
Just because you were asking earlier....

Some differences...
+12 Virtues as apposed to +4 in old Valar items.
+4 Trait points. (Anorien Deeds/Slayers and BB points)

the rest looks pretty much the same.

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?656056-Aria-of-the-valar-just-as-expected
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#13362690 Jul 23, 2017 at 10:54 AM
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thanks j thats really useful - concerned thas virtues set to 12 rather than +12 = if i have 8/9/10 by end of SOA the latter would be pretty crud. video suggests virtues are meh at end game is that right?

been thinking i do want level boost as dunland-paths of the dead wouid be great to turtle for first time with Lir over the next few years! more tempted by BotVU if it remains on sale (and possible gets a price reduction)

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#13362741 Jul 23, 2017 at 11:43 AM
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#13362690 Lirduiniel wrote:

thanks j thats really useful - concerned thas virtues set to 12 rather than +12 = if i have 8/9/10 by end of SOA the latter would be pretty crud. video suggests virtues are meh at end game is that right?



No it is definately +12. I have tested it on BR
In your example you would have 20/20(21)/20(22) as 20 is the cap.

Dunno about virtues being meh..maybe for someone in all gold equipment and all necessary stuff capped (Lot harder to do in Mordor)
In my limited knowledge, a level 20 virtue might equate to the same as one purple Essence, but they are useful for shoring up gaps in your build. Also things like resistance are not available readily in essence form beyond Tier 7.
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#13384689 Aug 07, 2017 at 09:44 AM
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Lir, Hunfrid is 105, but firstly I wish to "polish" Hunfri - got 60 yesterday, developed first age weapon, now plan to get all new 60 epic battle jewelry and grind first age class item, and maybe change some armours - week out two have to be enough
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#13477088 Oct 10, 2017 at 07:24 PM · Edited 2 months ago
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Faer now at 108 - anyone that wants to do dailies at Minas Tirith or festival be sure to let me know (these I am mostly doing for scrolls and gems)

current build (from memory) for landscape content with some instas

http://tp.thebeardedminstrel.com?061625232535254625752583259226022613262126412655266126812691270227152745277128812895

be interested in comments esp from Sig/Thala/Jim or anyone else who plays hunters =) esp on the focus on DoTs to boost damage from BA & exanguinate by 40%

note the cool new site for sharing builds
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#13477379 Oct 10, 2017 at 10:45 PM
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77 points for group efficiency:

http://tp.thebeardedminstrel.com?0616253525462575259226022613262126552661268127052715274427712793280228222831

Most of your DoT strength comes from Legacy and scaling. You 5/5 Barbed Fury 'cause its the best pick up out of your options on the way to Rapid Fire (you could play around with Quick Shot Focus but so far I have found that the Fleetness proc + Precision's 3 Focus/5 sec are sufficient to maintain Brg3 with the occasional QS thrown in - I am in no position to do extensive testing on it but there are some on the forums that will, like Theomur etc.)

So rather than spending a ridiculous amount of TP for yellow's tiny bleed boost you should concentrate more on getting Burn Hot and (eventually) Bodkin Arrows from red.

I don't like putting more than 1 point into Fast Draw but without Heart Seeker is kinda ok.
IF HS reset makes a comeback on 115 Hunter Armours then you want to have 2/2 on it by reducing Fast Draw to 2/5. (Under no circumstances should you trait Shot Through The Heart from blue as the bleed removal damage is smaller than just one tick of the bleed itself so you will be in a deficit.) Also then you'd want to max Draw Weight before you touch Rain of Arrows...

P.S.: When you say questing I assume you are talking about getting things done quickly rather than soloing Roving Threats? So my suggestion would be:
http://tp.thebeardedminstrel.com?061625352546258525922602262127052715274527712796280228222832
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
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#13478601 Oct 11, 2017 at 07:19 PM
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cheers Sig, I'd thought the 40% extra would have been significant but obviously not...good to know

on HS its not worth taking 1/2 it just for when Volley procs but rather stick to BA or SA?

thanking you for the advice =)
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#13532695 Nov 18, 2017 at 10:31 PM
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A tad bit delayed answer ;)

All extra is welcome, whether its 40% or less. However as part of the 'decision-game' you have to weigh the other options you have and how much certain percentages would really give you in terms of burst/maintained damage. You can involve some testing/experimenting (dummies and bosses) to arrive to a result. Given the case at hand:
I would prefer investing heavily in red line to get as high as you comfortably can in Bodkin Arrows. It gives you 2% mitigation penetration per tier for ALL bow attacks which - being blue-traited - means 1% per Trait Point invested. Given that you have enough points (eventually) to max this, it will be the case of 10% mitigation penetration for ALL attacks vs 25% bleed damage (5/5 Naturall Extracts) which affects Barbed Arrow and Exsanguinate only in current meta (as no HS reset set for 115 currently, meaning no point traiting In For The Kill either).

My Hunter is currently sitting at lvl 107 and +156% DoT damage (136 from nearly maxed Legacy and 20 from the Barbed Fury trait as well as Barbed Arrow is also effected by the Barbed Hinderance milestone in blue for 30 more - tooltip does not mention the DoT but it applies, I tested). So I am gonna use his tooltips for the example:
  • Barbed Arrow: 3,8k-6,3k intital, 6,3k*5 bleed ticks
  • Exsanguinate: 2,5k-4k initial, 5k*5 bleed ticks
  • Penetrating Shot: 8,4k-10,2k
  • Barrage 1: 10,2k-12,5k
  • Barrage 2: 12,2k-15k
  • Barrage 3: 14,3k-17,4k
  • (Bugged?) Barrage 4: 16,2k-19,9k
  • (Bugged?) Barrage 5: 18,5k-22,7k
NOTE: Barrage's tooltip will not display numbers bigger than 3 but you can, in fact, tier it further since the individual buffs last 5 seconds. This is why you will see different values under 'Barrage 3' if you are tiering it fast. In my opinion it should either reset or display further tiering but currently it's what we have :S
(With the Auroch set - 0 sec cd so only animation delay - you could tier it to 7 or 9 iirc...)

Option A
If I traited Natural Extracts for the +25% DoT I would have gained the following:
Barbed Arrow Bleed (100% uptime possible): would now be +211% instead of +186% so 6,8k ticks
Exsanguinate Bleed (cca. 22% uptime possible): would now be +181% instead of +156% so 5,5k ticks

RESULT: ticks are every 2 sec so you have to halve the values to get a dps value so +0,5k/2 from BA and +0,5k/2*0,22 from Exs. Which would be 250+55=355 DPS increase in total for 10 Trait Points.

Option B
If I traited Bodkin Arrows for 10% mitigation penetration, my gains would be based on the enemy's mitigations. Since the 105+ stat-bloat, reducing armour values on mobs to 0 has become practically impossible (Champion's Rend + Lore-master's Traited Ancient Craft combo used to be able to do that). So I am just gonna use a generous guess here, say the boss has 60% mits but once all debuffs are applied it is reduced to 40%.

Let's base the example on a non-crit Barrage 1 skill, using the above tooltips:
10,2k-12,5k means an average of 11,35k damage. 40% mitigation would make you cause 11,35k*0,6=6,81k damage normally but 11,35k*0,7=7,95k damage with Bodkin. So you gained 1,1k+ damage on a skill that not only has a one second cd but tiers nicely, as well.
Obviously the boost will look even more overwhelming when you include Critical/Devastate Hits with their magnitudes etc...
Even spamming your cheapest Focus skill, Penetrating Shot, will put your dps gain miles ahead compared to Option A.

While the above comparison is far from 'perfectly detailed' I do believe it is sufficient to support why I suggested the build I did. Ultimately I would be looking for something like this on a 115 Hunter:
http://tp.thebeardedminstrel.com?061625352546255525922602261326212653266127052715272127452751277128022811282228322845

There are choices that are debatable:
Why Press Onward with 1/3 in Perseverance (as PO scaled terribly)
Why 5/5 in Fast Draw (1/5 can already provide -18% induction)
Why Quick Shot Focus instead of Barbed Fury
Why not only 3/5 in Bodkin so that you can go for Rapid Fire in blue
etc.

Those are all valid questions so I think if someone wanted to have Swift and True 5/5 and/or a HS and a Rapid Fire they could tweak the above...

The bottom line is, practically everything that does not help your Barrage 3 and its spamming is hindering your dps value. It does not matter one bit whether you can fire a HS every 2 mins or your QS/Bleeds do 20% more damage... A (Bugged?) Barrage 4/5 can already Devastate for 300k++ with decent buffs and maxed LIs. When it lands, it is going to make even a +500% Bleed Damage buff look petty :S

Happy Hunting ;)

"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
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