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#13383106 Aug 06, 2017 at 11:45 AM · Edited 2 months ago
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I want to use this thread to add links/resources that are useful in developing an understanding of elves.

Please feel free to add or post questions/points for debate

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#13383107 Aug 06, 2017 at 11:47 AM
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first of an excellent pdf overview of the similarities and distinctions between the various cultural groupings that make up the entire elvish race. invaluable to me

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#13384741 Aug 07, 2017 at 10:40 AM · Edited 2 months ago
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"Trust me, after reading this, you’ll never be able to look at your favorite elvish characters the same way again." (from the link you provided)

This creates a dilemma for me: Remain blissful and ignorant by not reading the guide? Or read it, gain knowledge and never look at Thalaranc the same way again? What was your experience, Lir?

UPDATE: I couldn't resist after all and read it. Indeed, it gave me a lot of insight on each tribe.
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#13387004 Aug 08, 2017 at 07:50 PM
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glad you enjoyed it Thala - information is very rarely a negative

certainly for me it wasn't a case of this work risking breaking the 'magic spell' of my imagination but instead it allowed for a deeper and more developed understanding of the complexities of elvish culture, that only added to my wonder and appreciation. Certainly i'd never really properly understood the distinctions and sub divisions until this summarised it (nor the various categories of great journeys undertaken by the firstborn)

e.g. the Laiquendi belong to the Teleri (aka as the Lindar) and the Nandor and the Nelyar (3rds) but are distinct from the Sindar. =) the use of the names has changd over time and at some point the nandor become silvan and were previously without rulers until Noldor (non teleri) and Sindar (part of the wider teleri) came among them. I like to think Lir (and Faer) have a healthy disdain for hierarchy as a 'folk' memory of their people (the nandor) =)

probably helps mentally separate HE from 'regular' elves in a lotro context too
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#13387305 Aug 08, 2017 at 11:59 PM
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It was an eye opener alright. One could tell many things from this summary, it's very well-written. I have understood but few of these characteristics after reading the Silmarillion and most of them had to do with the Noldor. Perhaps due to the story being told in what would mostly be considered a HE way.

There are however other traits that I didn't quite catch, for example:

1) Didn't understand how much distinction and superiority complex there was from one tribe to another (each gave different names to others and to their own, like the Vanyar calling themselves 'The First' and the Noldor calling them 'The Fair')
2) Didn't know that there were Noldor that refused the Summons of the Valar and joined the Avari.
3) Heck, I didn't even know about the original tribal names (Minyar, Tatyar, Nelyar). I don't think there's mention of that in the Sil.
4) Even though it was pretty obvious that the Sindar would not fare well with the Noldor and would get the cold shoulder, I couldn't imagine the same would happen from the Nandor (later Silvan as you said) towards the Sindar and of course the Noldor when they came to live in Greenwood and Lórien.

There is many information to be extracted from this, Lir. An excellent upload for Lore-enthusiasts!

P.S: I would suggest reading the 11th volume of 'The History of Middle-Earth' called 'The War of the Jewels'. A lot of info there as well.
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